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From Katie Zelaya, Latino Student Union

Monday, December 12, 2011

PERIOD 1 (A.P.): DCQ Prompt Practice Week 1

Read the prompt below. Post your first paragraph in response to the prompt. On your honor: Time yourself. No more than 11 minutes total to read, brainstorm and then post your response.
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The first chapter of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Bible, concludes with these words:
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and in increase of knowledge is increase of sorrow."

Write a carefully reasoned, persuasive essay that defends, challenges, or qualifies this assertion. Use evidence from your observation, experience, or reading to develop your position.

34 comments:

  1. Wisdom and grief come hand in hand, like knowledge opens doors to even more sadness. In the end emotion affects lessons learned and good comes out of the situation. Wisdom is like a teacher to the young, giving their perspective on the actions being done. Everyday as a person wisdom is gained through, family, friends, church, and the streets. Knowledge comes from books, teachers, and mostly mistakes. For example I almost lost a close friend because of my attitude problem but she gave me a second chance. Learning from that situation inspired me to get help so I would not experience that feeling again. Emotions affect a lot of what is gained and loss. I agree with the quote in whole because until we as humans have not felt every emotion our lesson has not been learned.

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  2. The given scripture in the book of Ecclesiastes essentially implies that the more one knows, the more grief one receives, which somewhat correlates to the scripture in Luke 12:48 declaring to whom much is given, much is required. There is many justifiable reasons why this scripture is true. From past observations, one goes through many issues when they watch and hear of the unstable economy on the news causing stress and worry on their household. Therefore, their increasing knowledge in the government created an emotional toll on them.

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  3. Most people probably wouldn't understand why wisdom and grief are so closely related. Wisdom does in fact cause grief because the more wisdom one has, the more pressure is being added on them, causing stress and as result there is grief. This scripture from Ecclesiates is also a reminder of a commonly heard phrase, "more money, more problems." Both of these phrases imply that with what one may think is good there comes something bad to keep things at a balance. As with every action, there are consequences. This scripture does tell the truth because with knowledge comes power; with power comes responsiblity; with responsibility comes stress which in turn becomes grief.

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  4. Containing much wisdom is bound to give a person more grief as stated in the prompt above. Knowing alot can obligate a person to make sure they do their best or do what they have to do right. Being obligated to do somethin because of much wisdom can make a person become distressed which will lead to a great amount of grief.Knowledge falls in the exact same category, but instead it causes the person sorrow. For example, an ex friend of mine thought she had alot of knowledge of a situation and in the end she ended up losing a group of friends. In this situation sorrow hit the group of us. This learning experience let me know how too much wisdom and knowledge can lead to a bad ending.

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  5. Everything in life has an effect whether negative or positive. For many gaining knowledge can be a coming of age, but with knowledge comes along responsibility, as well as sorrow. Historically, presidents have had to make executive decisions using their knowledge which can bring sorrow to an entire country if what they believe is best for the country is truley not. The more your knowledge increases, is the more one will be challenge in society. Wisdom becomes grief when one feels they must be correct at all times and when they wisdom proves to be wrong, they are stressed out and filled with grief.

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  6. The concluding phrase in the first chapter of the book of Ecclesiastes asserts that the more knowledge and wisdom one has, the more pain and sufferings one will be faced with. A person’s own wisdom and knowledge serve as a torment reminding one between the right and the wrong. In our society today, criminals themselves are faced with obstacles related to this concept because many come out in the news confessing their horrible actions. Their own conscience and guilt enables them to stand up publicly and confess their atrocities. Similarly, in the novel the Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, Dimmesdale’s wisdom and knowledge on the way a faithful puritan is to act in the eyes of god, enables him to suffer more than usual because his own conscience serves as a daily reminder of his sin. His own pain and sufferings allows him to perceive his community and his surrounding with more wisdom and knowledge. As he is suffering, his own pain and sufferings serve as a template to show him how others suffer as well. His sin therefore enables him to become more compassionate about others and further on towards the end of the novel enables him to confess his sin as well. The more wise and knowledgeable a person is, the more they will suffer bearing with their own guilt.

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  7. Wisdom portrays greatness and sorrow. In the book of Ecclesiastes, I agree that wisdom increases grief and sorrow. Wisdom in movies and television shows are the conflict that the protagonist find themselves in, a hard situation of either causing one person or all their loved ones with sorrow. The quote also brings out everyday problems that people have; I have been in a situation were one persons secret caused sorrow for me and others around me. The Scarlet Letter is another example of wisdom converting into sorrow; Dimmsdale's knowledge about God brought him more sorrow because of his sin with Hester. Wisdom has two sides one leading to greatness and the other to sorrow.

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  8. Wisdom is not only gained through grief, and knowledge does not always lead to suffering. It is gained through the years, from positive or negative situations one endures. Based on cirumstance, it is justifiable that one person may be wiser than other, but the reasoning behind it can be debateable. One learns from their mistakes and their achivements, from their downfalls and their triumphs. knowledge, is wonderful. at times, we want to know in other situations we just simply find out. Whether the knowledge we gain is beneficial or not it's what we do with it that matters. In Nathaniel Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter, Chillingworth takes his knowledge of Dimmsdale in a revengeful way and does everything in his power to destroy a man of such religious merit in a puritan society. This provides a perfect example of knowledge causing sorrow upon others. Wisdom and knowledge are closely related and it all comes down to how well one is able to use and gain from knowledge and whether were wise enough to learn from our actions.

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  9. An emptiness inside makes one suffer despite what is apparent on the outside. THe first chapter in the Bible, Ecclesiastes asserts that the more gained knowledge with that will come sorrow. I agree because there are consequneces to every actio whether it be good or bad. An example of wisdom bringing about an outcome is in Hawthorne's novel The Scarlet Letter, Dimmesdale's wisdom of the Purtian religion and how he should act as a minister only causes him guilt because his sin consumes him. On the other hand, Chillingworth, who seeks revenge and learns more of Dimmesdale's sin is futile because at the end Dimmmesedale reveals his secrect leaving no space for Chillingworth's revenge which causes his death.With power whether it be knowledge or money comes a responsibilty that affects one or more persons.

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  10. For a person to obtain wisdom they must go through challenges and trials and learned from them because it is hard for a person to say that they are "wise" if they have not been through much themselves. Knowledge walks hand and hand with sorrow; why? I see it all the time with my father. He said to me " it is hard to have so much knowledge and to see the young people fall in the same ditches we did, and make the same mistakes we did, because we know!...With much knowledge comes much responsibility...and sorrow." Yes, I agree with the quote; to say that you have wisdom would mean you have experienced much pain and grief and to have knowledge would mean you will experience sorrow.

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  11. The purpose of college is to gain education and knowledge to better our lives and those of whom we will be working with. Even though it is something all students and parents want, it is becoming harder and more expensive to achieve and after the expected graduation date comes, education does not give the desired efferct we hope it would and brings sadness and regret. This is not only true for higher education but also with our social career. Gossip gives us hidden and secret knowledge that is not always best to have and can lead to sorrow and the rupture of a friendship. The book of Ecclesiastes correctly asserts that knowing too much can be harmful for us and could bring "sorrow" and "grief". Examples of where knowledge and wisdom have brought that "sorrow" and "grief" that Ecclesiastes states can be seen in the high price at which education comes for and the "bad" knowledge that can come from gossip.

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  12. Grief can come on behalf of wisdom due to the great responsibility and pressure it brings. Once one has the wisdom to discern between right and wrong they then must hold the integrity to carry it through. Much like wisdom is to grief; it is also stated that knowledge is to sorrow. In Ecclesiastes it also states that one shouldn’t fatigue himself with much study. People should not become obsessed with trying to know everything there is to know because they will never be capable of it and therefore they will never be satisfied. This then becomes sorrow when they realize they cannot be omniscient because they are only human and no human has ever or will ever know everything in life.

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  13. The journey which one takes to become "wise" can simply be described as a troublesome experience. Challenges will be faced, sacrifices will be made, and character will be tested. This is because "wisdom" is created by knowledge and knowledge is accompanied by sorrow. Therefore, there is no way to become "wise" without experiencing sorrow. This grief will be magnified with the sadness that also comes with the territory. Although this idea was originally conceived thousands of years ago, around the time that the Bible was written, it still holds true today. Concurrence with this biblical verse is provided by the countless stories of things that are better left unsaid. Revelation of circumstances often leads to misery.

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  14. The first chapter of the book of Ecclesiastes ends with the assertion that as one gains more knowledge, she also gains more sorrow. I agree with this statement. From personal experience, I know that the more I watch the news, the more I learn about the cruel things that happen in the world. I learn about people attacking and killing defenseless people for no reason. I learn about the many conflicts and violence happening. It makes me sad. Therefore, I agree that the more wisdom one has, the sadder she becomes. Also, in Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlett Letter, when Roger Chillingworth discovers that his wife committed adultery, he becomes sorrowful, and turns that sorrow into hate by seeking revenge.
    King Solomon, who wrote the book of Ecclesiastes, was a very wise man. He was given wisdom from God, which greatly surpasses any wisdom that someone could try to get on his own. Even after all that knowledge was given to him, King Solomon still wrote that it increased his sorrow. On the contrary, if someone was ignorant, she wouldn’t have the sense to comprehend all the horrendous things going on around her. She would be foolishly contempt, thinking that all was well. However, when one has the wisdom to comprehend what is really going on around her, she will become increasingly sorrowful.

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  15. The bible is one of the most widely read and quoted books in the world. Held in very high esteem, every story has lessons that are relevant to one's life and ideals that seem to be deep rooted in society. The provided quote from the conclusion of the first chapter of "Ecclesiastes" in the bible expresses that with much wisdom comes much grief and with the accumulation of knowledge is the accumulation of sorrow. This concept is not applicable to everyone; Notions of this nature become specific to particular personalities and differ person to person. It is understood that the wise and the knowledgeable could become full of grief and sorrow as they watch the ignorant around them perish and as they face grand obstacles and challenges in life, but if truly wise or knowledgeable they are very accepting of many of life's attributes including the bad things. The truly wise and knowledgeable do experience loss and sadness but have the understanding of self and the laws of the universe with which they would not become consumed or over associated with the negativity of life which bring sorrow and grief. - Isoke

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  16. Wisdom and grief may at times be related as knowledge can be to sorrow. The concluding words of the first chapter of Ecclesiastes can be interpreted differently since it can be true but false at the same time. One has different experiences and learns different things that do not always tend to be related to any type of grief or sorrow. Sure at times it may but it highly depends on the way a person uses that knowledge with themselves and others meaning that grief and sorrow won’t always be shown as a result. This can be traced in Nathaniel Hawthorne’s Scarlet Letter as one analyzes the challenges that Hester Prynne is faced with as she is to deal with the hypocritical Puritan society. She is forced to wear the scarlet letter to represent her sin but while doing so, she learns about her society, her daughter Pearl and the way Chillingworth tortures Dimmesdale. Her understanding does not lead her to grief or sorrow but to an understanding that her sin is not as bad as others in her society exaggerate it to be. Every day one learns something that may be used for a good cause and at times one may learn devastating information that can tend to lead to sorrow. The way one reacts and uses the wisdom and knowledge gained determines the sorrow or grief that lies within it.

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  17. Life is a journey full of challenges and in order to live happily we must overcome the obstacles we face. The first chapter of Ecclesiastes ends with a statement that accurately declares that one can only gain "wisdom" and "knowledge" by experiencing "grief" and "sorrow", in other words living life. Life is not a careless stroll at a beach. Sometimes our toes get stuck in the sand or we drown in the ocean. There have been numerous occasions in my sixteen years of existence in which I've cried over the lost of a loved one and though the pain was unbearable, I ultimately learned that life is short and there is no better time to live than the present. In Nathaniel Hawthorne's novel The Scarlet Letter, Dimmesdale's sorrow is what allowed him to realize that everyone possesses the ability to sin. Clearly, "wisdom" or "knowledge" is not attainable without experiencing some form of "sorrow" or "grief".

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  18. Wisdom and grief tend to be associated with each other often. According to the conclusion of the first chapter of Ecclesiastes this means that we can assume that knowledge often comes with a sense of sorrow and misery. This statement is true in some ways but not necessarily all. From worldwide observations one can see how knowing many different things about people and the society in which we live can lead to grief and distress. There are also many examples in readings such as The Scarlet Letter, by Nathaniel Hawthorne, In this novel, Dimmesdale is burdened with the pain and anguish of his sins because of his knowledge and wisdom of his faith in the Puritan religion. This statement can be challenged however because of personal experiences which prove that having knowledge can bring many pleasant opportunities and experiences.

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  19. In the book of Ecclesiastes, the first chapter concludes with the assertion that the more one knows, the more one will become faced with pain and suffering. I agree with this assertions because the knowledge that someone has can impact them emotionally and cause much sorrow within themselves. In The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, Dimmsdale depicts how his wisdom and religious faith to the Puritan society caused tremendous amount of grief and guilt within himself because of the sin he had committed and the knowledge he had of his religion. This showed that the more educated someone is, the more they will have to deal with their internal conflicts.

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  20. The quote above explains that grief is the outcome of wisdom, and the increase of knowledge only promotes an increase in sorrow. With knowledge comes power, but also the possibility of great sorrow. In several cases, this has proven true. With wisdom and knowledge comes great responsibility, additionally knowing what is good or bad, and right or wrong. This is clearly demonstrated in our society. Children lack responsibility therefore they lack great knowledge, they are young naïve and carefree. As they begin to grow and mature, their knowledge as well as responsibilities increase which often lead to much grief and sorrow. In The Scarlett Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, as soon as Chilingworth hears of the adultery of his wife, Hester several aspects of his life change. He begins to be angry, revengeful, and sorrowful whereas if he did not know of his wife’s sin, those emotions would not have resided in his heart. Personally, as I gain more knowledge on my surroundings, my society and the negative events that occur, sadness and grief are felt for those people affected.

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  21. Where there is wisdom there is grief, and knowledge can come to be hand and hand with sorrow. Both wisdom and knowledge are generated throughout the years of one’s life, through personal experiences or life taught lessons, they are embraced. An old man may be wiser than a young student, but the reason for this can be questioned. To learn in life, one must acknowledge their wrongs and applaud their rights. Although knowledge is beautiful, sometimes it is misunderstood. With knowledge comes responsibility. Knowledge can be something that is sought to find, or a surprise that one may not be as happy about, the responsibility matters as what is done with this knowledge. In Nathaniel Hawthorne’s Scarlet Letter, Chillingworth’s knowledge leads to plot revenge towards Dimmsdale and do so much to destroy a man of religion in puritan society. Wisdom, knowledge, grief, and sorrow relate as they question our actions to see how well they are taken.

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  22. People who have the traits of wisdom and knowledge know more about the world we live in which can lead to them feeling grief and sorrow. A person with knowledge and wisdom sees the world much more differently than someone that is young and naive. A young and naive person sees the world as a cherry while a wise and smart person know how sad the world really is. In Nathaniel Hawthorne's book The Scarlet Letter, he gives many examples of this with his characters Hester, Dimmesdale, and Pearl. Dimmesdale has much guilt and sadness for Hester and himself for he knows that what he has done was wrong and knowing how the world will look at him after they find out the truth about him, make him feel as he shouldn't be among them. Pearl who is young tends to give off the vibe that she has much knowledge of the world for how young she which seems really unrealistic but she makes her mother feel grief for pointing out what she knows about her deep down. Deep down all people usually feel the sorrowfulness of the world we live in as they learn more about it throughout their time. But many learn how to look away from it, move on and feel joy.

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  23. The excerpt from the first chapter of Ecclesiastes asserts that wisdom produces suffering and the acquisition of knowledge brings sadness and yes, emotions are the outcomes of how one makes use of wisdom and knowledge.The world provides us with so many tasks and knowing how to perceive them is what brings about our future. Knowing too much or being too wise makes one think that every decision taken will be the right one but often that supposedly right decision can be the worst of all and lead and be the most painful of sufferings. The increase in knowledge brings sadness because it requires sacrifice and responsibility. Due to homework I get at school I give up family time and free time to complete and be responsible for my work if I really want to become someone in life. These good times I could be having can be so cheerful but its a sacrifice I have to take to obtain that other level of knowledge I need although I get sad to miss out in these moments. In the Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, the Minister Dimmesdale was like the wise man in Puritan society but his religious wisdom and his sin put together caused him the most suffering as he got pain in his chest. Hester would learn to live with her condemned letter on her bosom that caused her sadness for her sin as she dealt with Pearl but at the end her sin was used to set an example to other Puritan women. Suffering and sadness is acquired from how one makes use of their wisdom and how they acquire more knowledge, its just how emotions work.

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  24. Increase of knowledge and wisdom can lead to grief and sorrow for people who live in the world we live in. In a book of the Bible, the first chapter of Ecclesiastes concludes with the words, "For in much wisdom is much grief, and in increase of knowledge is increase of sorrow." A person who has lived for a long time will have much wisdom and knowledge. They have seen what a cruel place the world is due to the people and as the older they get they see that the world is not the place they thought it was. The increase of knowledge and wisdom does too bring sorrow and grief to a person. In Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, Dimmesdale faces sorrow as he gains knowledge of the Puritan Society he lives in and how the sin he committed will be looked at. Pearl also faces grief because as she gets older and her wisdom increases she learns the truth of her mothers Scarlet Letter and the reason as to why they had to stand at the pillar for so long. Wisdom and knowledge does lead to sorrow and grief because it helps us learn the true meanings of life and the cruelty that comes with it.

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  25. The first chapter of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Bible, concludes with these words:
    "For in much wisdom is much grief, and in increase of knowledge is increase of sorrow." The more one knows do not mean the sadder they become. When I learn new things at school I don’t cry about it. When I learned two plus two is four I didn’t cry and say,” I wish the answer was six.” All I did was learned a new thing and kept it pushing. When one of my loved ones died I cried because they passed away not because I learned life is too short and I should appreciate it life. This quote is wrong the more knowledge one has does not mean they will have more sorrow, if the statement was true the whole world would be dark and dreary; everyone would be sad because everybody knows about something.

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  26. The first chapter of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Bible, concludes with these words:
    "For in much wisdom is much grief, and in increase of knowledge is increase of sorrow." This powerful message is true indeed, the mistakes that are made in a persons life help one grow from it. It helps to gain wisdom as you experience the consequences of your wrongs. However, sometimes people will experience a lot of grief and sorrow, yet they will continue to commit the same mistakes over and over again. All in all, I think it all depends on the person. Some people, who are already wise, will learn from it. Others, will just overlook it, try not to commit it again, but won't think twice about what it is they did wrong in the first place or what they can do to not go through it again.
    I know people who don't learn from their mistakes. I had a friend, well ex-best friend and well we had a few too many fallouts through out the years. She was down to earth, and she wasn't afraid to get a little dirt under her nails. That however, meant doing things we shouldn't have done. I remember the day perfectly, it was a warm day in March, and like usual me and her were up to no good. We were on our way to our first period, when out of her back pack she brings out a bottle of a silvery clear liquid I had never seen. Grey Goose the bottle read, it was such a pretty bottle really, and instinctively I took it from her hands. She told me what it was, and how it worked, as I knew nothing of alcohol. She started taunting me, saying that I was too (insert female part here) to drink it. Me, like the proud person that I was, said I could handle anything. Throughout the day, we drank and drank. At the end of the day, I could hardly walk, and I didn't feel any part of my body. I remember loosing control of my eye coordination and the slurring of my words as I struggled to bring out my sentences. The last thing I saw was the soccer field, and after that everything is pretty much a blur. When I woke up I was in my mothers car. She looked at me, and there was something in her eyes that tore me apart. I had passed out, and the school had called my mom to pick me up. The police had come and it was a huge mess. The next day, I got suspended for three days, sent to boot camp (thankfully my mom didn't send me), and worst of all I had lost my parents trust. My friend, whose name I won't mention for privacy purposes, got in the same trouble as me. After that, we fell apart, I didn't speak to her, blaming her for my mistakes. Later on, I realized I could have said no. But I'm actually glad I did, because I learned so much from that.
    To this day, I do everything in my hands to never see that look in my mothers eyes, I know better about getting drunk in school, and I've learned how to choose true friends. I can honestly say that, that mistake made me wiser, and I grew from it. As for the girl, last year, sophomore year, she came to school drunk. She couldn't walk, and she was making a fool out of herself. And to top it off, she involved one of my dear friends in an overdose. I'm glad I learned when I did. The one overdosed could have been me.
    This comes to prove that not everyone can gain knowledge and wisdom from all their grief and sorrows. There's a few of us, that will truly, whole-heartedly, understand the consequences of our actions. We will most certainly increase our knowledge as our grieving and sorrows grow.


    Oooops, I sorta got carried away and took 16 minutes.

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  27. Increase in wisdom and knowledge increases pain and grief in this world. People can be envious of other people's knowledge and be threatened by such intelligence. Increased knowledge and wisdom can make a person feel different from everyone else and they may not even fit in the society.
    For instance, King Solomon in the bible was blessed with wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He wasn't the happiest king after all. He was unhappy because he wanted to feel normal and make mistakes like normal people.
    This proves that no one is perfect, anyone that is trying to gain more knowledge will end up unhappy.
    I can relate to this quote because growing up, I always tried be a little perfectionist. I wanted to make everyone happy and make them love me. Then I realized it causes more trouble and stress for me because trying to impress everyone is like inviting headaches and heartaches to my body. Also, this season, I spent alot of money buying presents for my family and friends. At some point, after I ran out of money, I asked my sister to loan me some money to finish buying the gifts. She told me that I don't have to feel obligated to buy everyone a gift because eventually it is going to hurt me more when I am broke and don't have a job.

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  28. Since the first day that humans began to walk on earth they also began to learn more and more. The knowledge acquired can be simple things that are needed in everyday life; like reading. Or it can be a lesson that changes the entire life perspective of a person; like love vs. sin. Maybe even something more complex: like evolution. No matter whatever it is it all brings wisdom to human kind and it can either benefit or hurt the human species.

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  29. This quote expresses that being knowledgeable causes sadness, and discomfort. This quote is true, but only under certain circumstances. Knowledge can cause sorrow and grief, but it can also cause happiness, and joy. Being knowledgeable isn’t always a bad thing. In the novel of The Scarlett Letter, by Nathanial Hawthorne, Dimssdale, goes insane with grief because he knows that he committed a sin, and the towns people don’t know. He tortured himself mentally because he knows that what he did was wrong. However, this quote can be wrong because it can cause happiness, and joy. Knowing certain things can be beneficial. Being knowledgeable allows you to make the right choices, and stay away from the wrong things.

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  30. Wisdom and knowledge can only be gained by experiencing grief and sorrow as stated in the first chapter of Ecclesiastes. Wisdom is gained through challenges that one is not able to overcome and forces them to look deeper inside themselves to find a way to conquer it. Whether those challenges are dealing with the death of a loved one or simply going through the trials of life. Wisdom can come with a price; for example, in The Scarlet Letter, Hester gained wisdom after having an affair with Dimmesdale and learning the flaws within the Puritan society that she lived in. She paid her price by being ostracized and forced to wear the letter A for the rest of her life. Knowledge and wisdom are alike, in that they both are achieved through experiences. One cannot have great knowledge without sorrow. A child, who does not hold great knowledge, sees the world differently than an older person who has lived through life and experienced grief and sorrow. When one actually goes through life and gains knowledge, they are stripped of their innocence and are exposed to sorrow and hurt. In the first chapter one of Ecclesiastes, Solomon realizes that the good that people did was out of vain and with this knowledge, it made him realize that everything he wanted for people was selfish pleasure and meant nothing.

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  33. if a person has to much knowledge it may cause pain and sorrow. there are certain things in life that cannot be figured out. in science there is what we call "evolution". the reason evolution came to being is because people with to much knowledge and wisdom try to figure everything and have a reason for everything or want to know how everything happens and why everything happens. there are certain things that just cant be figured out and because of that people begin to have sorrow and greif. genesis 1:1 says: in the begining God created heaven and earth... whith someone that has to much knowledge they would try to understand "God" created the heavens and the earth. it would be difficult for them to believe such a thing, which at the end all balls to them ending up with greif and sorrow

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  34. THANK YOU FOR POSTING. THE WINDOW FOR WEEK ONE IS NOW CLOSED. I realize that the calendar dates for the assignments are wrong. PLEASE STICK WITH THE DAY I *THOUGHT* IT WAS for the window of time. For example: The window for week one was due by Friday, December "22" -- which really means I wanted it done by Friday, December 23. And so on. The day of the week is correct, just not the number.

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