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From Katie Zelaya, Latino Student Union

Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Period 2: WEEK TWO

Act Three, Scene Two
Respond to ONE of the following no later than Sunday, January 2nd.

(1) Which arguments -- Brutus' or Antony's -- about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.

(2) What does Shakespeare think of the Roman "masses" (the general populace, not the powerful conspirators or leaders of Rome, like Antony)? Based on their response to Brutus and Antony, would you consider them an intelligent group or a capricious one? Explain.

18 comments:

  1. (2) What does Shakespeare think of the Roman "masses" (the general populace, not the powerful conspirators or leaders of Rome, like Antony)? Based on their response to Brutus and Antony, would you consider them an intelligent group or a capricious one? Explain.


    Shakespeare believes that the Romans are a bit of both. Since they're easy manipulated by Brutus making them believe it was a good thing that Caesar is dead because he would of became a tyrant and become evil and what not. Now that all of the Romans are thinking that Caesar dead is the best for them Antony comes in tells them the opposite of what Brutus said saying Caesar was a good man and wouldn't hurt them . On his will he would each give them 75 silver coins. The romans change there mind and now believe that it was bad that they kill Caesar and now all are upset that he is dead. They seek revenge by wanting to burning there houses. I believe Shakespeare puts them under this light to show that the Romans are good well rounded people that have heart in what every they do. I think that was Shakespeare's true intent.

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  2. HUGO: But the people change their loyalties so quickly! Is that the sign of a well-rounded person? (I'm challenging your response, but you wrote a fair one, nonetheless.)

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  3. Shakespeare's intent wasn't too show them as well rounded people. His intent was too show the Romans passion to anything they do. They always do what ever they do with passion and heart. Rome is known for war. I think he wanted to elevate that view to war with passion and heart. I might be bitting my tongue when I said well rounded people but I believe that he wants too show the romans that they are good people and will fight with passion even when sometimes they don't know the reason why there fighting for. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Lol

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  4. The argument that's more effective to me that's between Anthony and brutus about Caesar death? Is Anthony because he speaks the truth on how no one really loved Caesar only until he died, but they disliked him when he was alive because how powerful he became. And they wasn't his true friends from the beginning because they been planned on killing him, but Anthony stayed true to him because he was really closed to Caesar but Brutus was just one of his friends that wanted him dead. And also people really happy that Caesar was died because they heard he left on his behalf seventy-five drachmas which is silver coins, and now their thinking to. Their selves killing Caesar actually made them happy not sad.

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  5. Whos arguement is more effective about ceasars death antonys' or brutus'?

    Well for me i think it was antonys' arguement because he gives more reasonable examples of how ceasar wasn't abitious, and with these arguements Antony even put doubts in the plebian's minds. They weren't sure if giving the power of Ceasar to Brutus was the right choice now.

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  6. Anthony loved Caesar only until he died,but everyone disliked caesar when he was alive because he was very powerful. some people wasn't ceasar true friend from the beginning because they had it in there heart on killing him,but Anthony stayed true Caesar.Brutus just belived that Caesar had to die because of his ambitious ways. Brutus assumed that Caesar would eventually become king and the dictator of rome which would ruin the Republic government system in Rome. Brutus wanted to kill Caesar because he felt that was the best fo rome.Some people was really happy about caesar death because they heard he left seventy-five drachmas silver coins,and so now there thinking that caesar death was the best thing that actually happy to them.

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  7. Which arguement antonys or brutus are more effective?'

    I think that antony was more reasonable with the examples of how ceaser wasnt ambitious. I think that antony proved himself loyal to ceaser when the conspirators were plotting againdt ceaser. Antony proved that he was a good friend unlike brutus who cared more about rome then with his friendship with ceaser. Antony was able to put doubt in the plebians minds about giving brutus power. They werent sure if giving brutus power like they gave ceaser was a good idea or the right choice for rome. 

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  8. Which arguement antonys or burtus are more effectives?

    I think antonys arguement was more effective to mee he proved that hes loyal to his friend ceasar and he was a ue friend nd he wouldnt trade him for anything in the world or trade him for rome. Unlike brutus that traded him for the love of rome instead of being loyal nd sticking by ceasar side. Antony really cared for ceasar and really took there friendship serious thats why i think anthony arguement was more effective

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  9. (1)Which arguments--Brutus' or Antony's--about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.

    I believe that Antony's argument towards Caesar's death is more effective than Brutus' because he is more reasoning. His love towards his friend Caesar was unique, unliike his "best friend" who thought he was doing the best for both his friend and his country. Brutus ambitious mind for power brought him to conspire his best friend which was the perfect target to have against Caesar because nobody will ever suspect nothing from him. After Caesar's death people were happy about it because they soon found out that he had left seventy-five drachmas silver coins.Afterwards plebian had doubts in giving the power to Brutus thanks to his loyal friend Antony.

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  10. So far i also believe Antony's argument was more effective, because Brutus knew nothing.He didn't really know the Caesar inside,but he did meet the one outside. Antony long knew Caesar and described him as faithful and not ambitious. I think thats why Antony's argument is more effective.

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  11. 1)Which arguement-Brutus' or Caesar's-about Caesar's death is more effective?

    Even though Brutus' arguement was very honest I think Antony's was more effective.Antony's arguement was more effective because he proved that Caesar was a faithful and just man. He reminds the Roman people of all the good things Caesar did for them which causes them to doubt the reasons for the murder of Caesar.When Antony listed all the good deeds Caesar did for the people Antony repeatedly stated "But Brutus says he was ambitious And Brutus is an honorable man." This is kind of funny to me because it seems like Antony was saying this mockingly but at the same time he was shooting down one of Brutus' biggest reason for killing Caesar.

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  12. Which arguments -- Brutus' or Antony's -- about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.


    Well, Brutus' argument was strong and honest. But, Antony's was more effective because he is talking about how great caesar was to him. He keeps on repeating that brutus is honorable and Caesar was ambitious. He is grieving over Caesar's death but they are making him believe that caesar was ambitious. His heart is still in the grave with caesar and it won't come back unless caesar does. I think that is the funniest thing.

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  13. Whos arguement is more effective about ceasars death antonys' or brutus'

    Is Anthony because he 's teeling the truth on how no one really loved Caesar only until he died.Athony loved his friendand didnt what to help kill him.His argument had put more on the table than brutus. After Caesar's death people were happy about it because they soon found out that he had left seventy-five drachmas silver coins.Afterwards plebian had doubts in giving the power to Brutus thanks to his loyal friend Antony.brutus was a real friend but he didnt look outside the box if u believe in anything you fall for any thing .HE was to worried about the city instead of his friend ,so Athony.

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  14. 1) Which arguments -- Brutus' or Antony's -- about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.
    I would go with Brutus's argument because he told his people of Rome why he killed Ceasar. He explained to them why he did this vicious act. Not because he hated Caesar and envied his things. But because he loved his people. He feared once Caesar was crowned emperor he would bring the City of Rome to complete distress. He would become an absolute monarch and make the people his slaves. Oh, but Brutus couldn't let that be. He loved the name of honor more than he feared death. He asks to his people if Caesar were living right now would they rather die slaves than if he were dead and lived all free. The ambitiousness of Caesar caused these three men to kill him.

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  15. (1) Which arguments -- Brutus' or Antony's -- about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.
    To me Antony's argument is more effective. Antony is fighting for his friends honor. He's telling the crowd how it was unfair for them to have kill Caesar. He's telling them how a great friend he was and how awesome he was. He, also talked about the will he left his country. Caesar truly cared about his men as so did Antony cared about Caesar. Although Brutus did state an honest argument on why he did, what he did- it is still unjustified.

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  16. scene 3, act 2, Shakespeare believes they are more capricious.. They are Gullable(their minds are easily changed )......Anthony's speech is more effective to me because he easily changed the mind of the plebians and he gives more reasoning and emotion in his speech he even side with Brutus at some points of his speech ......Brutus speech has some emotion in it he express his feeling about Caesar also he said he didn't kill him because he didn't love it was just tht he loved Rome more meaning he was willing to do anything to keep Rome safe and away from " evil "

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  17. 1) Which arguments -- Brutus' or Antony's -- about Caesar's death are more effective? Explain your response.
    Response- To me in Act 111 Scene 2 I believe that Antonys argument is more effective then Brutus argument because Antony talks about the honor of his dearest friend and about his curl and violent death Caesar had to go through. Antony talks about how a good friend Caesar was and how a person that great should not be killed by the conspirators. While Brutus was just mainly talking about how they needed to kill Caesar for the good and well being of Rome. Antony talks about his friend honor and have a better supporting argument because he is talking about Caesar courage, bravery, and the honor he has for himself and his friends.

    (2) What does Shakespeare think of the Roman "masses" (the general populace, not the powerful conspirators or leaders of Rome, like Antony)? Based on their response to Brutus and Antony, would you consider them an intelligent group or a capricious one? Explain.
    Response- William Shakespeare is trying to tell the reader and the audience because the people of Rome can easily change their minds about there rulers and change there loyalty. That is why Rome has many problems and doing so bad because a great ruler was just assonated in a public place. And many “messes” are starting emerge. Based on the arguments between Brutus and Antony I think that both are capricious because both are thinking about the effects that Rome will have problems and imaging the causes.

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  18. 1)i believe brutus argument was more effective because he made the common believe that it was ok to kill caeser but because he also truly believed it was a good thing to kill caeser because he was only going to hurt rome itself.

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